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Randy Carson
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 Posted - 11/09/2009 : 12:54:01 PM
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Do professional anti-Catholics (Swan, White, etc.) tend to think that Catholicism did not exist prior to the legalization of Christianity by Constantine in the fourth century or do they tend to hold the position that Catholicism was valid but simply went "off the rails" at some point prior to the Reformation?
I ask because amateur apologists argue the former incessantly, but I'm wondering if the "big boys" concede the Catholic Church's existence from the Apostolic era and focus on other issues in their efforts to undermine the Church.
Randy + † +
Tiber Swim Team - Class of '79
"What is very clear from the best scholarship available is that the Jewish Biblical Canon was a Post-Christian development and not part of our patrimony from Judaism." - Dr. Art Sippo
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artsippo
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2009 : 10:51:48 AM
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Frankly, Randy, they tell their constituents one of 2 BIG LIES:
1) Before the Middle Ages, the Church was Protestant and the Church OFFICIALLY changed at Trent
2) The historic Church is a demonic sham. This is the "Trail of Blood" sham also known as Landmarkism or Baptist Successionism. The real Church was compose of simple Bible Christians hiding out in the Alps mountains. Pseudopodeo has tacitly supported this option with is support for the Waldensians.
Both of these options are historically untenable and demonstrably false.
Art
Omnes semper - ad Jesum, per Mariam, cum Petro! |
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Jjane
Canada
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Posted - 11/12/2009 : 10:58:32 AM
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by artsippo[/i]
[br]Frankly, Randy, they tell their constituents one of 2 BIG LIES:
1) Before the Middle Ages, the Church was Protestant and the Church OFFICIALLY changed at Trent
2) The historic Church is a demonic sham. This is the "Trail of Blood" sham also known as Landmarkism or Baptist Successionism. The real Church was compose of simple Bible Christians hiding out in the Alps mountains. Pseudopodeo has tacitly supported this option with is support for the Waldensians.
Both of these options are historically untenable and demonstrably false.
Art
Omnes semper - ad Jesum, per Mariam, cum Petro!
Did he say Alps or Appalachians ?
 I was given to think of the latter after seeing a patient and wife this week . Oh my ! |
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artsippo
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Posted - 11/13/2009 : 9:01:15 PM
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The Alps. Landmarkism was not uncommon among uneducated low church types in rural communities. There is actually a Church taht beleives this in Sparta, IL that I discovered a few years ago.
The best antidote to this nonsense is a book by James McGoldrick (a Norther Baptist) entitled "Baptist Successionism". He puts everything into perspective and show this idea for the sham that it is.
http://www.amazon.com/Baptist-Successionism-James-Edward-McGoldrick/dp/0810836815
Art
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The Position(s) of Professional Anti-Catholics
